I have friends whose kids have asthma, and they do not have that sort of look. Does that mean my husband should kill me, too?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Even after she moved to CO and was a married mother. R147: Shannan was not any of those things. However, anyone who devotes MONTHS to harping on how annoying a dead woman was when she was alive, has all the screws loose. I don't get it. R199, I saw that. I followed the Hart murders, too. She's the murdered frau of Chris Watts, who also killed their two tots. No wonder Cindy and Ronnie Watts said she was bipolar. Please click here to update your account with a username and password. I started a post on them but apparently they are not as fun to satirize as Shannan. That really upsets me. She was a grifter with her buddy Hashem. He was obviously still fucking his wife yet he was still a crazy horn dog. The two met in 2010 when Chriss Lee Watts was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE W Wanda Sweitzer 41 followers More information Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE Book Series Covers Science Today Moving In Together Baby Hospital Rocket Science 100 Book What are your theories? Someone who was asking for a murderous rage. R55, Shananns mother signed as a guarantor for their CO home. She did everything to come across as the perfect, crunchy-earthy, cool progressive lesbian mom. Shanann was trying to make sense of it all. She likely gathered up a down payment from the funds she embezzled from the rim shop, then didn't pay the mortgage. Stealing the kids identities? After the divorce, LEONARD kept his, but changed it to $100k and changed the beneficiary. This has kept me entertained. Shanann wanted one more child praying for a baby boy. One of the detectives admonished him, "Yes, but we I am asking you about Shannan now". I like it - two snarky, bitchy Englishwomen can be quite entertaining. shanann watts first marriage shanann watts first marriage (No Ratings Yet) . Some features on this site require a subscription. Yes, people were buying things they could afford, but this That doesnt make sense. He left one of their bed sheets in the field with the bodies. In a new documentary from Netflix, newly revealed letters and texts show that Shanann had no idea that her marriage would soon turn deadly. I feel kind of the same way. From the more than 2000 page discovery file published by the DA months ago. Suffering. Chris Watts, 33, is charged with three counts of first-degree . LEONARD actually did not know SHANANNs last name until a few days ago. R162: A woman with a job equals whore in your world. Im not saying she killed anyone, but I think she goaded him. Police say the three victims were murdered in their home and later transported to the oil field. Doubtful, and is most likely the second (or third or fourth) time Shanann lies about medical costs to cover her ridiculous spending habits. And I still think that he lied about some things and left details out of this confession. American Murder: The Family Next Door quickly brings viewers inside the world of the Watts family, thanks in a huge part to pictures, posts, and videos from Shanann Watts' social media pages.After introducing the mother of two and her family via clips of holidays and other family moments, the documentary drops a bombshell on viewers: In May of 2018, Shanann revealed to her husband, Chris Watts . She did not "purchase" any house. She was a little grifter bitch. No matter what most people do not resort to killing. Because how dare murdered, discarded toddlers not be beautiful. Most states are nowadays. But despite Chris' violent actions, he seemed to have the support of his parents. There were rumors that they were defrauding employees using payroll/benefit scam. He learned of this case from social media and news. WTF. Police say that Christopher Watts, 33, was arrested in connection with the murder of his wife, Shanann Watts, 34, and two daughters, Celeste and Bella, ages 3 and 4, according to police . The apostrophe made no fucking sense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_family_murders, Shanann Cathryn Watts, (grave marker states Shanann Rzucek), 34 and daughters Bella Marie Watts, 4 and Celeste Cathryn Watts, 3 and unborn son Nico Lee of Frederick, Colorado, died on Thursday, August 16, 2018 (obituary states August 16th, graver marker reads August 13th). Everybody was buying houses they couldn't afford and hoping to flip them for an easy profit. In the early morning hours of August 13, 2018, a young mother returned home from a business trip. She was a miserable user. I am curious why we never hear from any other women in Chris Watts past? It was reported that she made $80,000 a year. Husband had crazy eyes. I felt all along there was apparently a rush by the prosecution to get this case brought to closure while ignoring various aspects that to me were very important. I'm a Frau who loves THRIVE! She was not confrontational and more withdrew. How she loved and cherished her. Of course we can say nice things about her, too. Women like that can get him to do anything. If so she more recently passed away as well at only 33 and leaving their 6 year old with neither mom or dad just tragic https://www.forbisanddick.com/obituaries/Arie-King/#!/Obituary. R169: I dont think either one were straight when it comes to spending. The Websleuths crazies who want to blame the victim come here. Why did her kids always have parallel medical problems? Police are expected to release further details on Monday, when formal charges are announced. Required fields are marked *. No, R108. I spoke with LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018 at 1427 hours. So Shan'ann's Thrive income was and remains, a mystery. Press J to jump to the feed. Shananns husband, Chris Watts, 33, can be heard singing in the background.". He withdrew the girls from school before the cops got involved. . Geni requires JavaScript! Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant at the time she was killed. Shanann's husband, Chris Watts, 33, can be heard singing in the background. My sister and I both had asthma when we were kids in the 80s. LEONARD denied that he currently had any policies on her life. etc. A big fat scene to get away from the MIL, complete with an ultimatum. As r47 says, this case is chock-full of CHARACTERS. Just curious. The family of a pregnant Colorado woman who was murdered by her husband paid tribute to her and said she was 'born to be a mother' at her joint funeral with her two daughters and unborn son. I don't think sshe would EVER have been satisfied with any sense of "enough". When the song ends, Bella blows the candles out on the round cake adorned with a butterfly on the side. They were a family. Chris Watts, 33, allegedly admitted to killing his wife, 34-year-old Shanann, and his daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. R157, you're right. R59: Why is there a photo of a black woman and child on the shelf? Once she was done, she cut herself off from him. He did not receive a warm welcome when he reunited with them in NC. The underlying issues can be difficult to fully define, and for some, may take several years/ repeat doctor visits. One of the jobs typically associated with psychopaths are salespeople. No wonder Chriss parents didnt like her. He definitely deserves life in prison - what he did was disgusting. Thank you for posting it! Maybe they had a parent cosign for them, or something. But Chris was already involved in an affair: He had become intimate with an unwitting co-worker who believed he was getting a divorce from his wife. Chris Watts. Ill correct this post if I have to - its a three -way conversation with Shanann, Cassie, and Nickole so its confusing. I looked on Google Maps, and boy were they right!! I truly hope a movie is made of her in an honest light. For anyone who hasn't read it here's his CBI interview copied/pasted directly from the Discovery: CBI Agent GALBRAITH interviewed LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018. I feel like I need to add something special to my name too. On a waitress/retail managers salary. LEONARD actually did not know SHANANNs last name until a few days ago. Holy fuck. Is Colorado NOT a no-fault divorce state? Living in a huge house she somehow bought on a retail salary. This community exists to discuss the murders of the Watts family and the subsequent arrest of Chris Watts. People with less than 2 brain cells should not be allowed to comment on public posts. Rewatching the confession viedo. The 34-year-old mother regularly posted updates on social media about her life in Frederick, Colorado, documenting her rise in the health and wellness world and gushing . They were good marks, since they sold everything in 2015, quit their jobs, and moved in with Chris and Shanann for 15 months while Shanann was pregnant with CeCe, who was born July, 2015. Like an entire store's worth. Phil Hartmans wife was another first name changer. (And filed for bankruptcy in 2015!). She spent every minute thanking God and taking care of her precious gift that the Lord had blessed her with. Not that he should have killed them, but she was a cunt to him and then when she realized he wasnt going to take it anymore, she backpedaled furiously. I got smacked around for saying it, but Chris is boring and shes much more interesting. Based on her Facebook page, Shanann Watts had it all: a satisfying career that allowed her to travel, two gorgeous little girls, a doting husband and a new baby on the way. murdered both kids, killing the one though she fought him, I think it's safe to say he wasn't interested in being a parent AT ALL. Christopher Lee Watts (born May 16, 1985)[1] admitted to murdering his pregnant wife Shanann Cathryn Watts (ne Rzucek; born January 10, 1984) by strangulation. I asked LEONARD about his relationship with SHANANN. He must have hated them, because he spared them no suffering and didnt every try to shield them from their mothers murder in any way. Im R39, so just to add - one of the most pathetic things about this case is Chris saying we never go on hikes.. shanann watts first marriagedream about someone faking their death. 1. She wanted the large house. I asked about SHANANNs skills in conflict resolution. Watts told investigators Shanann did not fight back, and laid on the bed as he strangled her. In the August, 2018 video, Chris was was stunningly buff. No joke. R150 The overspending was documented on her social media and records about the financial problems are out there as well. Nothing suspicious, just a little nest that most single women working in retail buy. Bella, Celeste and Shanann Watts (credit CBS) "Our daughter watched her husband kill her," Sandy . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.forbisanddick.com/obituaries/Arie-King/#!/Obituary. How do you think she bought that house on a retail managers salary? How did they pay off the $400k debt? But Good Lord - Cassie and Josh MOVE IN? But the whole alienating and making people choose. Shanann and Christopher "The Murderer" Watts. R244, I firmly believe she was emotionally abusing and exploiting him. What do you mean? Not for one second did I think that the big confession Watts gave cops would be so brutal and nasty. In lieu of flowers memorial donations can be made in memory honoring Shanann to the Lupus Foundation of America at 2121 K Street NW, Suite 200 Washington, DC 20037-1830.or to the Frederick Colorado Police Dept.- Missing Persons Division at PO Box 435 Frederick, CO 80530 or to the St.Judes Childrens Hospital at 501 St. Jude Place, Memphis, TN 38105, Online condolences can be made to www.bolesfuneralhome.com. That poster has a strange definition for cuter.. Thanks for mentioning that, whoever you are. He should have snapped and just taken off. "ACTION TAKEN: CBI Agent GALBRAITH interviewed LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018. Likely when Chris did the same thing to her she may have had some insight into herself, that this is what happened with Leonard, which caused her to try her hardest to get Chris to talk to her. I wish I hadn't read that final interview with the murderer. Chris would have been on the hook for everything. WTF?!? FFS, asthma is not so elusive and rare that several doctors over two years failed to recognize it. May be she aspired to live a little beyond their means but she didnt kill anyone not does that make her evil. Like Bunnika. I had trouble sleeping after reading it. That can occur when a nerd suddenly becomes hot or he's just a crazy. Yes, R228, I agree with everything you wrote. Shananns behavior is not odd at all, in fact, its pretty much how people act when they no longer want to be with you. Chris was a real bore, apparently. They all look like a ringing endorsement of health, R15. LEONARD agreed to share my contact information with his wife for her to call, if she knew anything about SHANANN, possibly through Thrive.". SHANANN was in high school when LEONARD first met her. I just dont get that at all. Just bookmarking threads for future reading when I have time. I've been following the story somewhat closely, too. Imagine giving up coffee, snacks, trivial shit -- all to save money, only to come home to the latest $10,000 shipment of Lularoe "inventory". R145, youre right about that. https://www.wltx.com/article/news/slain-mom-2-daughters-had-been-in-sc-just-weeks-before-their-deaths/101-585544417, Was just being nosey and googling, do you think this is the same Arie King in N.C? Her folks referred to her as Shannan at Chris's sentencing and she was named in thar lawsuit against the rim shop as Shannan King (her first husband's surname). Watts, 35, reportedly detailed the gruesome slaying of Shanann Watts in one of his prison letters - and he also revealed that he'd been thinking about killing her for "weeks." 15 I knowMARY! Leonard Thomas King Christopher Lee Watts on 3 Nov 2012 in Mecklenburg, North Carolina, United StatesResidence, (01 Oct 2004-01 Jun 2005) Dunn, North Carolina, United States (01 Aug 2005-15 Nov 2007) Dunn, North Carolina, United States (15 Nov 2007) Clifton, New Jersey, United States (01 Mar 2008) Fayetteville, North Carolina, United StatesDeath, 2825 Saratoga Trail, Erie, Boulder, Colorado, United StatesBurial, Aberdeen, Moore, North Carolina, United States of America. Joint for joint expenses, and yet have your own liquid accounts. He was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. Shanann was running another scam, Im positive. That's an interesting piece of information. It was Bumfuck, NC, but still worth $400k. R181, the house is surrounded by water on 3 sides? With Shanann (disclaimer: no, of course she didnt deserve to die!) I also think she used her physical hardships once again to play on his sympathies, sort of like a book of struggles, but he had already turned a deaf ear. lts only one way emotions and feelings. And Im pretty sure Colorado wouldve ruled that Shanann couldnt use her kids as props in any more public Thrive videos. The women next to her in that pic are just fatter. The discovery documents released by the Weld County District Attorney's office last week related to the murder investigation include an anecdote He was locked up within 48 hours. First of all, its doubtful a 100k surgery, or whatever, resulted in a 25k debt. Its my OPINION that people who mess around with their name are waving a red flag. He is a greedy as fuck sociopath. R166: Do you have evidence of this scamming and embezzlement? That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. No college degree, working as a manager of a tire/rim shop, builds a gigantic house. I think Celeste was adorable. I wondered why, on the initial Officer Coonrod bodycam videos, there was no furniture in the dining room. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. If we assume that she killed the children, why did he not turn her to the police and secretly dumped the bodies of his children that she killed. But wasnt he eligible for the GI Bill hmmmmm? I thanked LEONARD for his time. My assumption is that LK would like to stay as unconnected to this murder as he can. 05:02 GMT 17 Aug 2018 The mother seemed to know or assume that her two daughters had staged the creepy dead doll, writing around 2.30pm: 'At least they covered the body together. Just like Shanann had her parents Sandra and Frank move in in 2015/2016 meanwhile while Shanann/Chris and Sandra/Frank file BK? ACTION TAKEN: CBI Agent GALBRAITH interviewed LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018. Chris kept going on and on about how attracted he was to her, even though the detectives had moved on and started questioning him about Shannan. He said that she used it constantly when he knew her and she was very well attached to it. Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche], TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE Visit the post for more. Maybe if he'd convinced a judge that Shan'ann was a dishonest grifter he would have succeeded. Made disparaging remarks about the size and decor of others homes and cars. Why is he being so cold? And then she does the usual bulldozer thing (she just couldnt help it) and buys a self-help book and demands he read it and write a fucking book report on it. Even NK barely talked about what he was like. Has there ever been a more inept family killer? Chris Watts is a textbook Malignant-Covert Somatic Narcissist. Shanann hidden in a very shallow grave. He didnt say much, LE spoke with him briefly the report is in the discovery. However, she fell oddly silent after the post on August 9 at around 11.46pm, which showed the plastic doll lying shrouded on a leather loveseat. Why are you so concerned about what these children look like? It is how you build one. I didnt like her at all, I basically agree with half the folks on here in that she was an attention seeking, materialistic, annoying AF Frau. Yes . She wanted her name to be unique and to standoutand to make pharmacists nervous about trying to call it out over the PA system without offending her. She had sold her mansion in NC after they hightailed it outta there, in a hurry. Her husband should have left her & divorced her, or never married her in the first place. Perhaps Chris thought that as well. Being fascinated by all this doesn't mean we want to FREE CHRIS or Shan'ann DESERVED TO DIE, let alone the two innocents. Regardless she didnt murder her children, the psychopath Chris Watts took their lives . They filed for bankruptcy due to do much debt they had. to brutally cutting off their air supply & feeling nothing as they grunt and move around under the Yankees blanket struggling to breathe? It's very hard to lie your way through a mortgage loan process. Thank you so much for providing all of the analyzation and conclusion because it defines this case as it was and is. You can try and shame me for being obsessed with this case, but it wont work. Thank you so much, Your email address will not be published. [quote]All i could think of while watching this video, is what was going thru the minds of financially strapped husbands watching their wives spend money they didn't have on these scams? Or was he completely oblivious and just filled with utter rage at Shannan and her doppelgnger kids dissing him? I had no idea it was that much! Man, I wish he had consulted a lawyer. I sure hope he does. Chris was broken LONG before he met Shanann. I think if Shan'ann had lived she would have ended up being another Dee Dee Blanchard. 06:51 GMT 17 Aug 2018. Nag, nag, nag. A concerned friend contacted law enforcement after learning of the murders of Shanann Watts and her two young daughter, relaying an unsettling anecdote Shanann had shared with her just weeks before she was killed. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. ! she texted, adding, He said we are not compatible anymore! They declared bankruptcy a couple of years ago, and, in 2018, they were already in debt to the tune of almost 500K. And Leonard King said the same thing that it was virtually impossible to engage her in conversation. I spoke with LEONARD KING ( ) by phone on 08/15/2018 at 1427 hours. Grahm Coder says repeatedly, Help us bring them out of the cold." No doubt he snapped. "Her car is here but she's not at home. Shanann was born January 10, 1984 in New Jersey to Frank Rzucek and Sandra Onorati Rzucek.