I have to admit, the idea of live birth in sauropods appealed to me at one time, it explained the rarity of sauropod eggs at that time, as well as giving the babies less growing to do! A model for the origin of ichthyosaurs. It must be a one-off typo. Adrian Desmond's office wasn't near Bob Bakker's (picture looks *nothing* like the young Bakker BTW) --- Bakker was in the new wing of the Museum of Comparative Zoology with the Fuzz Crompton/Farish Jenkins crew. Do some sharks have real placentas? You know: ostrich dinosaurs, compsognathids, big dromaeosaurids and so on. ? An interesting antecdote about the late Beverly Halstead, have you heard the story about he and an assistant simulating T-rex mating on a stage once (fortunately, with their clothes on!). 0000002339 00000 n Oviparity. On January 23rd 2007, Tet Zoo ver 2 - the ScienceBlogs version of Tetrapod Zoology - graced the intertoobz for the first time. 0000355832 00000 n That quote intrigued me so much that I had to look up Halstead's review of The Dinosaur Heresies in New Scientist. Feeding and foraging in water, but maybe walking out onto land to bask or to move to a new pool. Predation upon hatchling dinosaurs by a new snake from the Late Cretaceous of India. This is known from a single pregnant female that was caught in 1995 off the coast of Taiwan. Have there actually been studies in e.g. Dinosaur Heresies was revolutionary in as broad sense of first suggesting that dinosaurs were active with sophisticated behaviour similar to birds and mammals, rather than oversized turtles and pythons. By the early seventies, Bakker's main ideas were already out there, published in the literature. Last time round, we saw how the meme of the 'demonic Quetzalcoatlus' passed from artist to artist, and had its genesis in…, As you'll know if you have your fingers on the throbbing pulse of dinosaur-related publications, the massive, incredibly pricey volume published by the Geological Society of London, and resulting from the 2008 meeting History of Dinosaurs and Other Fossil Saurians, now exists in dead-tree form.…, Before I start: TIANYULONG TIANYULONG TIANYULONG TIANYULONG TIANYULONG. ^`1�z���u/���/ �=�#���M&>X��qX��qث�$�����6�]V1q`"�"\�ė�����zx�-�R��gT��&�Z@0=�'Z. Laurasian vs. Gondwanan sauropods) or sauropods in general? Similar structures are found in some sharks and in the lizard Pseudomoia pagenstecheri. endstream endobj 19 0 obj <> endobj 20 0 obj <> endobj 21 0 obj <>stream doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.1000322. What drew me to write about this topic in the first place is the artwork. [from Darren again: yes, the drawing - by Jessica Gwynne - is transparently copied from Bakker's famous drawing], Re: Scaling of reproductive turnover in archosaurs and mammals: why are large terrestrial mammals so rare? They didn't suggest any sort of family matching behavior, so such a herd would likely have quite diverse genetics, but it might be possible that they'd sniff out relatives or something. All rights reserved. Dinosaur physiology and the origin of mammals. Three pieces of evidence were mentioned, all circumstantial and/or weak. According to An-Ping Harbor records, more than 70 whale sharks were caught in 1992, only 2 in 1993, and 14 in 1994. 0000002298 00000 n 18 feet and 1000 lbs. 2005. They'd just have to find mates occasionally. Desmond, A. J. At the moment, the evidence for post-hatching parental care in Mesozoic dinosaurs is rather poor, though extended nest residence in hadrosaurs and ceratopsians (Brachyceratops) indicates parental care of nest-bound juveniles and adult-juvenile associations in Psittacosaurus and Oryctodromeus confirms adult care of babies in these taxa. -- Desmond (1975) noted that - due to physical constraints acting on the maximum sizes of shelled eggs - the babies of an oviparous sauropod would be tiny compared to adults. In this case, finding a herd wouldn't be an issue. Assorted responses... -- In making mildly dismissive comments about 'non-avian theropods climbing trees' (comment 4), I wasn't referring to all non-avian theropods, just the ones where scansoriality has been suggested but is not widely accepted. 0000422022 00000 n Each shark has an umbilical cord that is located between the pectoral fins. His scaled diagram of this specimen - from Bakker (1986) - is shown below. All you actually need for this to work is some fairly basic social signalling on the lines of "Me bigger, you smaller. -- The pelvic canal in sauropods looks wide. 6000 liters. For example famous Velociraptors opening doorknobs. We are part of Science 2.0, a science education nonprofit operating under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. It turned out to be even more hostile than I had thought. ;-) They might live more like rhinos, which are basically solitary. Its only enemy is the sperm whale who hunts it deep in the ocean. A category 5 hurricane that is twice as large as another category 5 hurricane is "more dangerous" all else being equal, and by "all else" I mean things…, I've liked the musician Rufus Wainwright for some time, but I didn't realize that he was the son of Loudon Wainwright, whom I've just recently discovered. - . 0000009116 00000 n Embryonic Skulls of Titanosaur Sauropod Dinosaurs Science, 293 (5539), 2444-2446 DOI: 10.1126/science.1063723. 0000458710 00000 n Thanks for reminding me of that one. The tracks of small juveniles are never found among herds, and in fact numerous (often associated) juvenile tracks have been found separate from those of larger animals: more support for the 'pod formation' hypothesis (where babies live together, and separately from adults). I say this because several artistic reconstructions - and a particularly well known North American museum mount - show an adult (presumably female) sauropod guarding or in some way interacting with a single, well-cared-for baby. In keeping with crocodilians, it should really have been given a longitudinally aligned slit. Challenge: Measure Muons Energy With High-School Math And Win A Mug! 2010. What was the level of genetic affinity within herds? --I assume you have in mind the rearing Barosazurus defending its young from an Allosaurus in the Cental Park West entrance hall to the AMNH in New York (which is echoed by the life-size model diorama in the orientation room of the fossil vertebrate halls on the fourth floor)? -- I suppose the translucent 'afterbirth' shown in the Doug Henderson painting could perhaps be an amniotic sac (comment 6), yes. 0000459187 00000 n Initially, only one egg is found in each oviduct. endstream endobj 11 0 obj <> endobj 12 0 obj <> endobj 13 0 obj <>/ExtGState<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/Type/Page>> endobj 14 0 obj <> endobj 15 0 obj <> endobj 16 0 obj [/Indexed/DeviceCMYK 255 27 0 R] endobj 17 0 obj <>stream the mother shark feeds the "babies" by a placenta. Six more Auca Mahuevo eggs - this time revealing well-preserved, near-complete skulls - were published a few years later (Chiappe et al. Wow...that's a bad Bakker. Sauropod dinosaur embryos from the Late Cretaceous of Patagonia. At Auca Mahuevo in Argentina, "over a dozen in situ eggs and nearly 40 egg fragments encasing embryonic material were recovered" (Chiappe et al. It never held up very well back then and it sure doesn't today lol! It's true that many Cretaceous eggs traditionally identified as those of sauropods* have never been shown beyond doubt to belong to these dinosaurs, but there are now many, many others. What is different is that the shark pups will hatch inside of the womb and live off the placenta until they are ready to birth. Relative brain size and behaviour in archosaurian reptiles. A clear example of this is the concept that the K-Pg mass extinction had many separate causes that happened to occur at (about) the same time. 1971. Cool article, even if the inspiration was a pile of speculation all the way down. Professor Morwood's legacy will be linked to the Indonesian island of Flores, where in 2003 he was part of a team that discovered Homo floresiensis, which rewrote the history books and changed our understanding…, CNN is calling Hurricane Patricia "The Most Dangerous Hurricane in History." THE Gandalf of science, archeologist Mike Morwood, who helped find a new species of tiny humans dubbed the Hobbit, died yesterday after a year-long battle with cancer. Lockley, M. 1991. Wait, now. 0000036572 00000 n The principle of parsimony demands that egg-laying must be assumed for all sauropods in the absence of compelling evidence to the contrary. ScienceBlogs is where scientists communicate directly with the public. More recently, sauropod hatchlings discovered right next to hatched and unhatched eggs (oh, and preserved with the large snake Sanajeh indicus as well) have been reported from the Upper Cretaceous of India (Wilson et al. Even supposing that sauropods did practise extensive post-hatching parental care (note that there's no evidence for this), we know that they produced big clutches, so a dutiful parent wouldn't be looking after a single baby. Similar to the first whale, this one was also demonstrating odd behavior and persistently slapping its tail against the surface of the water. The best known picture depicting sauropod viviparity is Doug Henderson's painting - shown here - where a mother Apatosaurus is craning her neck round to look at her newborn baby. Viviparity - Live Births. The exemplar has been provided by the National Council of Educational Research & Training (NCERT) and the candidates can check it from below for free of cost. {�;L���2����T��=�2�w�ۘ>$%������`ک*��σ�����*O�T��v�S�f��qT[�k,wk��e��6��[�X�nW@� o�~�_7~U75r:�|����i�T�$|Ȧ���d��m��we���,D����T�+��2�ۉ��蹡0�dfΚ���70�����]1�~�u� ����W���L`��c��8e���+��U��>�� �"�%�SE�|����Y��h�ȣ{�,�"�O��ߘ�K��A- Ԧb�DI*�1� �������P\žOEՋ��G�ߐ��C1M�&0,��r�A���p���I��8.Q�˳,�P�f�"��z��zu@�p"��/��!�3c��A����݂�XȔ`ZF����5��`�9���`�6,w1�u,�->�����&?��:#HIn,d�1�u��w�`�l'/t�cԕH�z���8j�z�:��q9�^̔~+��T���x*���!��&I/�����"PZ����X~)d�p3��:3���{.���t>� bc��!.��+,���t ��ڗQ�L��,~���yk�����:�ѹ ��B�o����F(������k�º�� ��� Janis, C. M. & Carrano, M. 1992. No arborial non-avian theropods? As others have noted, this can sometimes have the effect of 'reinforcing' a hypothesis - of making it look more plausible, or more widely accepted than it is, especially if the art is good. Like a whale? Meh. Ecology of the brontosaurs. The hypothesis of dinosaur viviparity always sounded outright silly to me (even more nowadays with the benefit of hindsight). I remember picking up Adrian Desmond's 1975 The Hot Blooded Dinosaurs in a bookshop at that time and after browsing it laying it back as being bogus, ludicrous, unscientific and a waste of money.... Packard, G. C., Tracy, C. R. & Roth, J. J. 1977. Currie, P. J. food and water pour in. Well, there actually was such a growing consensus in... hm, maybe not in 1996 anymore, but not much earlier. Oh, I remember this theory very well when I read it in Dinosaur Heresies as a kid. The offspring develops in the female and is born alive. That can't be because that would nix my vision of T-rex perched in a particularly stout tree waiting to drop onto Triceratops passing below and, in the words of Calvin that would be so bogus. -- How aquatic was Matthew imagining sauropods to be? . I don't think that's a viviparous-with-true-placenta-style "afterbirth" there in the Henderson painting so much as a modified-ovoviviparous-shell-less egg-style caul or amniotic sac like some snakes are born in. endstream endobj 18 0 obj <>stream American Naturalist 44, 547-560. From that, I had gathered that some adult care of sauropod juveniles was given, on the collective herd level if not the individual parent-offspring level. Accordingly, there may have been little or no post-hatching association between adults and juveniles in many dinosaurs. Part I! What kept them together? Wilson, J. The whale shark is the worlds largest living shark and the largest living fish in the sea. © 2006-2020 Science 2.0. Hemotrophic viviparity is where nutrients are provided from the female's blood through a designated organ. 0000542638 00000 n 0000077748 00000 n 0000248127 00000 n Assigning elephant-like reproductive behaviour would have answered all those questions quite nicely. Viviparity (live birth) such as found in mammals cannot occur in fishes because they always produce yolky eggs to support embryonic growth. Yes, if you've spent years staring at the back ends of reptiles you'll note that the mother sauropod has been given a transverse cloacal slit, as if it's a squamate. The growing embryos are nourished through a placenta formed from the yolk sac. This occurs in most mammals, some cartilaginous fish, and a few reptiles. His office was near those of Ken Rose, Dan Fisher, John Fleagle, and myself. Although very rare, there have been two well-documented cases of asexual reproduction in sharks. "and a particularly well known North American museum mount - show an adult (presumably female) sauropod guarding or in some way interacting with a single, well-cared-for baby". �Q"c. Loudon's a singer/songwriter who's been around for even longer, and who I like even better than Rufus. Idea, it can be more egg-laying must be assumed by a new from. 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